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Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 18:00:25 -0700
From: Andrew Sharp <andy.sharp@onstor.com>
To: Patrick Haverty <patrick.haverty@onstor.com>
Subject: Re: USB Install
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On Fri, 1 May 2009 16:38:30 -0700 Patrick Haverty
<patrick.haverty@onstor.com> wrote:

> It, menu.lst, definitely is pointing to the USB, at least to start.
> The nexenta version of the OS starts to load then a bunch of services
> fail to start.  Some gibberish about start method /usr/blahblahblah.
> Can't load the CD_ROM device or something like that.  Exactly like
> when we tried installing from the SATA connected DVD drive instead of
> a IDE type.
> 
> Still curious as to the ripper's OS.  MAC?  A flavor of Linux?
> Andy's Super Custom?

Oh sorry, ripper is Linux.  But of course.  ~:^)  I'm an old fart who's
been doing Linux for more than 10 years, and has used every distro out
there at one time or another, especially at the beginning.  Hence I
used Debian.  If I didn't like a very lightweight (ergo: do most of it
yourself) desktop, I would probably use Ubuntu at this point.

I keep a very up to date kernel on it, within reason.  I like uptime,
but if forced to reboot, like when some crappy PC hardware thing goes
belly up, then I usually make a kernel with the very latest stable-
bits from kernel.org.

Cheers,

a


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Sharp 
> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 4:14 PM
> To: Patrick Haverty
> Subject: Re: USB Install
> 
> On Fri, 1 May 2009 16:07:58 -0700 Patrick Haverty
> <patrick.haverty@onstor.com> wrote:
> 
> > Okay, I got it to boot to the GRUB menu for installing, but it
> > seems like the installation file still wants to look at the CD rom
> > as the source, or something like that.  What OS did you install,
> > from USB, on ripper?
> > 
> > Maybe they can just make a build with the Nexenta installation
> > looking to the USB instead of some stupid CD rom place.  :)
> 
> The root filesystem and or boot device definition needs to point to
> the USB stick rather than the CDROM.
> 
> > Hmmm... Can we make an ubuntu based Leopard...  That seems to work 
> > just fine, installing from a USB.
> 
> Look at their menu.lst file to see how they refer to the USB stick as
> the boot device and possibly the root filesystem.  Some analogy of
> that should work.  The root filesystem is probably compiled into the
> kernel so might not be relevant.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andy Sharp
> > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 12:12 PM
> > To: Patrick Haverty
> > Subject: Re: USB Install
> > 
> > On Fri, 1 May 2009 10:07:54 -0700 Patrick Haverty 
> > <patrick.haverty@onstor.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > I agree it should work, but so far none of my attempts have been 
> > > successful.  Just to see if I can make any OS boot from a USB
> > > stick, I'm going to try the Ubuntu "USB Startup Disk Creator".
> > > Also, during some of the previous attempts I did have the stick
> > > in place, and can see some activity to it during boot, but it
> > > still doesn't show up in the BIOS as a boot option.  I'm going to
> > > play around with it just a little more.  It's frustrating, but
> > > kinda fun.
> > 
> > I'm quite confident the ubuntu thing will work and demonstrate the 
> > way.  Just to let you know, my workstation, the mighty-mighty
> > ripper, I started by USB boot/install, and if I recall, next to
> > nothing had to be done in the BIOS to get it to work.  Fairly
> > modern BIOSes seem to be geared for it as default behavior.
> > 
> > Happy hunting!
> > 
> > > Cheers. 
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Andy Sharp
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 3:40 PM
> > > To: Patrick Haverty
> > > Subject: Re: USB Install
> > > 
> > > On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 15:31:59 -0700 Patrick Haverty 
> > > <patrick.haverty@onstor.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I haven't figured out how to make a Slowaris bootable USB, but
> > > > it doesn't look like the hardware would allow booting to USB.
> > > > At least I don't see that option in the boot order settings in
> > > > the BIOS. Drats, foiled again.
> > > 
> > > No, it will work.  You might have to specify that the USB will 
> > > operate in legacy mode or something like that, but I'm pretty
> > > sure that modern systems like this don't even need that.  You
> > > might have to have a stick in the USB port for that option to
> > > show up in the BIOS.
> > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Andy Sharp
> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 3:00 PM
> > > > To: Patrick Haverty
> > > > Subject: Re: USB Install
> > > > 
> > > > On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:51:38 -0700 Patrick Haverty 
> > > > <patrick.haverty@onstor.com> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Interesting, the running live part.  There are internal USB 
> > > > > ports, probably for just that type of thing.  I have USB
> > > > > drive I can try the USB install from.  Any tips, from
> > > > > experience, on making a bootable USB run an ISO file?  I'll
> > > > > check around on Google.
> > > > 
> > > > The first trick is to make a bootable USB.  Put the ISO on it,
> > > > and have it mounted in loopback fashion, and run the install
> > > > from there. That's how it works for such things on Linux.  It
> > > > will be the same for Slowaris.  But I don't know how to make a
> > > > bootable USB stick for Slowaris.
> > > > 
> > > > Go for it!  Should be cool.
> > > > 
> > > > > Thanks.
> > > > > 
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Andy Sharp
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 2:48 PM
> > > > > To: Patrick Haverty
> > > > > Subject: Re: USB Install
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:38:17 -0700 Patrick Haverty 
> > > > > <patrick.haverty@onstor.com> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Hello Andy,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I know you have many other things bouncing around in your
> > > > > > head head, but I was wondering if you think it might be
> > > > > > possible to make a bootable USB drive that could be used
> > > > > > for the Pantera LS OS installation.  If so, would that
> > > > > > method of install be any faster than from a CD?
> > > > > > Whatdayathink?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Absolutely, completely possible.  As for faster, that would 
> > > > > depend on slowaris, the USB disk used, the speed of the
> > > > > CD/DVD drive, etc... ~:^)
> > > > > 
> > > > > IMHO, that's what they should be doing, since CDs and DVDs
> > > > > are completely obsolete.  But what do I know.  I don't even
> > > > > think we should have hard disks in the head at all, it should
> > > > > be running "live" with a unionfs or similar.  We don't have
> > > > > such things in EverON based appliances....
