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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 12:47:16 -0700
From: Andrew Sharp <andy.sharp@lsi.com>
To: "Limato, Dave" <Dave.Limato@lsi.com>
Cc: "Vandever, Chris" <Chris.Vandever@lsi.com>, "Kozlovsky, Maxim"
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 Shawn" <Shawn.Currin@lsi.com>
Subject: Re: boldish new lab plan -- no too bold or new
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On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 13:09:18 -0600 "Limato, Dave" <Dave.Limato@lsi.com>
wrote:

> Would you like to use the Engineering meeting timeslot tomorrow to
> talk about all of this? I think we have to as we are in conversation
> the borg (LSI Corporate) as to what is appropriate. We will not sign
> up for anything but will have new information by Tuesday.
> 
> (PS.... I just have to throw this in there. Its Java .... Not flash,
> and Chris, Brilliant Idea of adding a calendar appointment to remind
> you to grab another resource, or extend the existing.)

Yup, the tool should email or make a calendar appointment, or both.

Good feedback all around from Chris, as usual.

I've updated the wiki section somewhat to take note of Chris' feedback.

> ________________________________
> From: Vandever, Chris
> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:56 AM
> To: Sharp, Andy
> Cc: Sharp, Andy; Limato, Dave; Kozlovsky, Maxim; Chong, Fay; Currin,
> Shawn Subject: RE: boldish new lab plan -- no too bold or new
> 
> 
> Inline...
> 
> ________________________________________
> From: Andrew Sharp [andy.sharp@lsi.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:44 AM
> To: Vandever, Chris
> Cc: Sharp, Andy; Limato, Dave; Kozlovsky, Maxim; Chong, Fay; Currin,
> Shawn Subject: Re: boldish new lab plan -- no too bold or new
> 
> On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:36:16 -0600 "Vandever, Chris"
> <Chris.Vandever@lsi.com> wrote:
> 
> > I'm not sure what problem you're trying to address.  What do you
> > mean by "actually works" and "actually useful"?  What is "start.pl"
> > and what will it do for me?
> 
> I thought the start script was a perl script?  Maybe it doesn't have
> the .pl, but dang it, you know what I meant ~:^)
> 
> 
> 
> CV> No, I honestly had no idea you were referring to the existing
> CV> start script.  It sounded like it was work in progress on
> CV> something else which I hadn't heard about, hence the question.
> 
> > Perhaps a meeting would be helpful, with a demo of what the problems
> > are and/or what a better solution is.
> 
> OMG, more meetings?  Sigh, OK.
> 
> Well, let me put it this way, if these apps were working, people
> wouldn't have to be going off creating spreadsheets themselves in
> order to sort out who's using what, like John Keiffer recent did.
> 
> 
> 
> CV> Yup, you're right.  There is additional info that needs to be
> CV> kept in the start script or somewhere, like what kind of system
> CV> it is, the assigned storage, etc.  All systems should be ssh
> CV> accessible.  ALL systems should be in the reservation system,
> CV> even if they are in a special section for permanently reserved
> CV> systems.
> 
> I've never gotten an email telling me my reservation is about to
> expire, have you?  As far as I can tell, it's supposed to do that, but
> it doesn't work.  As far as I can tell.
> 
> 
> 
> CV> Yes, I actually have gotten email, but you're right -- it's
> CV> broken.  It sends out daily emails, months in advance, which
> CV> turns it into spam.  I end up setting a calendar appt. a week
> CV> before my reservations expire.  Yup, it's a workaround, but it
> CV> does work.
> 
> The reservation program uses some sort of flash that at least one of
> my browsers can't run.  That's two things wrong with it right there.
> There's no reason on earth it should use flash, and I shouldn't have
> to jump around to different browsers, plugins, until I find one that
> works.
> 
> 
> 
> CV> I personally don't care about the implementation of the
> CV> reservation program.  Have fun, but you better not break it for
> CV> MY browsers.  :)
> 
> We have no configuration app currently, nor anything that even calls
> itself that.  It's all da-noggin, as Dave mentioned.
> 
> 
> 
> CV> The automated test harness has a fair amount of configuration
> CV> built in, although I think most people still have text files with
> CV> the CLI commands they use to configure their filers.  System-X
> CV> also has more automated configuration built it, and since it's
> CV> designed to work for our customers, too, it might make sense to
> CV> go in that direction.
> 
> No, I'm not talking about having all this magic tomorrow, I'm just
> trying to come up with a plan, a roadmap, so that we can head in the
> right direction and eventually have something cool.
> 
> 
> 
> CV> Hence the suggestion for a meeting, not to mention the fact I had
> CV> no idea what you were saying in at least half of the
> CV> suggestions.  A few minutes of questions and answers would go a
> CV> long way.  But, maybe I'm the only one who's so clueless.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> a
> 
> > ChrisV
> > ________________________________________
> > From: Andrew Sharp [andy.sharp@lsi.com]
> > Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 2:24 PM
> > To: Sharp, Andy
> > Cc: Vandever, Chris; Limato, Dave; Kozlovsky, Maxim; Chong, Fay
> > Subject: Re: boldish new lab plan -- no too bold or new
> >
> > Resending as I forgot to include Fay in the recipients.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > a
> >
> > On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:06:14 -0700 Andrew Sharp <andy.sharp@lsi.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > After Arnaldo leaves us today, I'll be taking over direction of
> > > the elab.  One of the first things I want to do is put together a
> > > plan of where we want this thing to go in the lab to improve it's
> > > usefulness including how efficiently it can be utilized.
> > >
> > > I know what I want, but different folks use the lab and its
> > > resources in different ways, so I wanted to get feedback from you
> > > folks on what the lab is useful for and what it should be useful
> > > for.
> > >
> > > Please take just a couple of minutes to look over this short list
> > > of things, and give me your feedback: what else needs to be on the
> > > list; what other requirements are missing from current things on
> > > the list; what crazy things should we have but have never been
> > > dreamt of yet?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > a
> > >
> > > http://wiki.onstor.net/wiki/Lab#Bold_New_Lab_Plan_.28But_not_too_bold.21.29
> > >
