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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 11:49:37 -0700
From: Andrew Sharp <andy.sharp@lsi.com>
To: "Edge, Bruce" <Bruce.Edge@lsi.com>
Cc: "Banerjee, Arindam" <Arindam.Banerjee@lsi.com>, "Nichols, Chuck"
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Subject: Re: Meeting for Linux variant discussion
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On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 12:30:06 -0600 "Edge, Bruce" <Bruce.Edge@lsi.com>
wrote:

> As long as we're adding some points to discuss, let me add my $.02.
> 
> On 10/05/2009 11:15 AM, Banerjee, Arindam wrote:
> 
> 8:30 PM BLR time works for me as well.
> 
> 
> 
> Andy did a nice job of putting across a write-up to set the ball
> rolling.
> 
> 
> 
> A couple of more pros with Debian:
> 
> 1)     Debian releases are considered highly stable
> 
> Also, there are many years between releases. If you want stable
> release cycles and long term support, go with one of the Ubuntu LTS
> releases. They guarantee 5 years of backports and bug fixes as well
> as release every 6 months. We used Debian for the 8400 DOM but went
> with Ubuntu for the 8800 for this reason.

The many years between releases might be a good thing ~:^)  Actually,
Debian has announced that they are going to a cyclical 2-year system,
and are organizing the upstream teams in order to synchronize much of
the work and effort better.  Ubuntu will, of course, follow suit, but
with their own, shorter, cycle.  I don't think a 6 month cycle is
useful for this embedded environment.  It's proved to be very
successful for a Desktop deployment, but too much rapid movement might
make things harder for embedded server type deployment.  We can discuss.

> 2)     Good package management system
> 
> While in general, yes, debian and it's derivatives have the best
> package management system (IMHO), the Debian Xen package maintainer
> has done questionable things with the Xen build tree organization
> that make it much harder to integrate upstream Xen changes. The
> Ubuntu (Debian variant) has a cleaner Xen package architecture that
> more closely mirrors the upstream xen unstable source tree for the
> karmic+1 release.

The question is, which one works better? ~:^)

We can go with the best technical choice here, IMHO.  Whatever that
turns out to be.

>     3) It's a simple matter to add a debian packaging post-install
> plugin to strip out all help, docs, and examples from all packages.
> This substantially reduces the standard debian footprint.

Indeed.

>     4) We already have an Ubuntu dom0 & xen running an guest  DPM
> domU as well as the windows based SVM domU.

Sweet!

> -Bruce
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Pros for Citrix:
> 
> 1)     Effort is on to see if we can bundle in only one Linux OS
> image as part of the overall SW bundle (in case we can have the same
> Linux distro for all Linux VMs). Decreases the overall package bundle
> size especially with space in the flash being scarce.

Whoa, space in the flash is scarce?  I hate it when that happens.  But
this is of course the right idea.  I don't think it's a pro for Citrix
as opposed to Debian/Ubuntu, however.


> 
> Arindam
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Sharp [mailto:andy.sharp@lsi.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 11:16 PM
> To: Edge, Bruce
> Cc: Nichols, Chuck; Banerjee, Arindam
> Subject: Re: Meeting for Linux variant discussion
> 
> 
> 
> I should be able to manage the 8am thing somehow.  Perhaps a bit
> bleary
> 
> eyed.  Tomorrow or Wednesday makes no difference to me.  Chuck, are
> you
> 
> going to host it?
> 
> 
> 
> I've take the liberty of drawing up a plan that I think should be the
> 
> beginnings of something we can use to guide us.  I've attached it to
> 
> this email so we can discuss it at the phone conference.
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> 
> a
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:14:49 -0600 "Edge, Bruce"
> <Bruce.Edge@lsi.com><mailto:Bruce.Edge@lsi.com>
> 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > I'm on the road then, but I can manage that.
> 
> >
> 
> > My morning timing is fixed as I have to drop my kids off at a train
> 
> > station.
> 
> >
> 
> > I can do any time before noon on Tues or any time Wed.
> 
> >
> 
> > -Bruce
> 
> >
> 
> > Nichols, Chuck wrote:
> 
> > Andy, Bruce, Arindam,
> 
> >
> 
> > I'd like to schedule a meeting tomorrow to discuss our Linux variant
> 
> > selection.  Problem is, we've got folks on PDT, CDT, and BLR time,
> > so
> 
> > scheduling is a little difficult.  I know these times are somewhat
> 
> > inconvenient, but could you guys support meeting at the following
> 
> > time tomorrow (Tuesday)?
> 
> >
> 
> > - 8 AM PDT, 8:30 PM BLR
> 
> >
> 
> > It's kind of the worst of both worlds because it's a little early
> > for
> 
> > the California folks and somewhat late for those in Bangalore.  We
> 
> > could also consider an hour later, but I was trying to keep Arindam
> 
> > from having to be in meetings until all hours of the night.
> 
> >
> 
> > I'm open to other suggestions, as well.  Regardless, I'd like to get
> 
> > this scheduled for tomorrow (or Wednesday at the latest).
> 
> >
> 
> > Thanks,
> 
> > Chuck
> 
> >
