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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:00:17 -0700
From: Andrew Sharp <andy.sharp@lsi.com>
To: "Kimball, Jacob R (Jake)" <Jake.Kimball@lsi.com>
Cc: "Hardiman, Richard" <Richard.Hardiman@lsi.com>, "Tran, Trinh"
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Subject: Re: GoGlobal in Campbell
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Hi Everyone,

I'm happy to get together and talk about it, but quite frankly, I can't
see this meeting our needs.  What we need on engineering desktops is a
reliable, powerful resource for the engineer to use.  That eliminates
Windows from several viewpoints.  Windows, is, in fact, only used at
all because it's forced on us by IT requirements.  Those requirements
don't stand up to any sort of rational scrutiny (Windows is the most
unreliable, insecure and expensive desktop -- and server -- solution
findable by quite a wide margin).  Yet here we are, pressured to
serverize our desktop needs and distribute this irrational desktop
solution, with expensive and proprietary 3rd party software (GoGlobal)
required to implement it.  If you shut off half your brain and put a
patch over your good eye, then the only thing that even vaguely makes
sense is to go the other direction and serverize the Windows
requirement, so the massive effort required to make such a system not a
source of terror on your network only has to be focused on one machine,
rather than every desktop/laptop.

I realize that a mad dose of clear thinking like that is hardly welcome
in a big corporate environment, so I slightly apologize for that.

But I don't want a one solution deal.  I'm happy to allow GoGlobal and
anything else in here, for people to select if they are happy with it
and prefer that choice.  But, and I'm quite serious, I think IT should
also support the use of Citrix for those would prefer that choice, and
also support the use of Mac desktops, and also support {Linux, Solaris,
*BSD desktops (with limited or internal-community based end user
support)}.  Quite a few of my engineers are pretty miserable right now
with the choices that are being forced upon them, and miserable
engineers are not productive engineers.

Cheers!

a

On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:10:35 -0600 "Kimball, Jacob R (Jake)"
<Jake.Kimball@lsi.com> wrote:

> Richard,
> 
> Sounds good. You should have a meeting invite for Friday. Feel free
> to throw it to anybody else you think should be there.
> 
> Jake Kimball
> Manager, GEUS Compute Environment
> 
> LSI Corporation
> 1110 American Parkway
> Allentown, PA 18109
> TEL 610.712.7441
> MOBILE 610.737.5481
> jake.kimball@lsi.com
> 
> 
> _____________________________________________
> From: Hardiman, Richard
> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:59 PM
> To: Kimball, Jacob R (Jake)
> Cc: Tran, Trinh; Stark, Brian; Nelson, Shaun; Peal, Thomas; Sharp,
> Andy Subject: RE: GoGlobal in Campbell
> 
> 
> Hello Jacob,
> Yes, let's get a meeting together to discuss this.
> Everything you have highlighted sounds great but I am not 100% that
> it will be able to fit our needs, without more detail. One of the
> Engineers tested the solution at the Milpitas site and said it was
> just too slow to work for us. But let's definitely open this up for
> discussion as we are in need of a Linux desktop solution. Look
> forward to talking with you! Have a great day!
> 
> _____________________________________________
> From: Kimball, Jacob R (Jake)
> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 8:52 AM
> To: Hardiman, Richard
> Cc: Tran, Trinh; Stark, Brian; Nelson, Shaun; Peal, Thomas; Sharp,
> Andy Subject: GoGlobal in Campbell
> 
> Richard,
> 
> Trinh asked me to work with you all to understand the requirement
> here and work on a solution. As a starting point can you give me an
> idea of what type of work is done on the Linux platform?  From what I
> understand one solution being used/reviewed is supplying Linux
> desktops to users. We have been using/deploying an alternative
> solution to this that has some good upsides and still supplies users
> with a Linux desk top (essentially). I don't know if any/all of this
> will be redundant to what you know, so I apologize if this is
> repeat....but,  generally the solution is called a "light client"
> solution. The light client solution that we have been using,
> GoGlobal, relies on a client/server arrangement with a piece of
> software installed on the user's Windows based desktop. GoGlobal
> essentially supplies the user with a graphical desktop in to the back
> end server that has GoGlobal installed. The benefits that we have
> seen of this architecture are:
> 
> 1)      Ability to suspend and resume sessions without loss of work
> (i.e. pick up your session at home if you need to check on something,
> etc...). 2)      Good performance working over WAN/VPN connections.
> 3)      Easier to support and maintain as things are centralized.
> 4)      Better use of resources as they are shared and tend to have
> better utilization. 5)      MS Office tools still natively available
> as user is running Window's.
> 
> There are some obvious down sides (network sensitivity being one) but
> the GoGlobal solution is something that historic Agere (company
> acquired by LSI ~2.5 years ago) has been using successfully for 7+
> years. Originally Agere deployed this to replace the
> expensive-to-update Solaris desktops being used at the time (with
> Solaris-based GoGlobal servers), but that has transitioned to
> Linux-based GoGlobal servers as the technology (Linux) matured.  We
> have been upgrading sites to this solution (either from Solaris-based
> GoGlobal or from the historic LSI solution called Tarantella).
> 
> From the limited amount of information that I have, I believe that
> this solution might work for you all as well. However, I don't know
> all the requirements and what I have given above is the high level
> overview (at best). What I'm hoping is that this gives us a starting
> point to continue the conversation in a real time meeting. If this
> makes sense, I'll look for something in our calendar's and find a
> time that works. If you have any questions/concerns, please let me
> know!
> 
> Jake Kimball
> Manager, GEUS Compute Environment
> 
> LSI Corporation
> 1110 American Parkway
> Allentown, PA 18109
> TEL 610.712.7441
> MOBILE 610.737.5481
> jake.kimball@lsi.com
> 
> 
> _____________________________________________
> From: Tran, Trinh
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 11:58 AM
> To: Kimball, Jacob R (Jake)
> Subject: RE: Per your call about GoGlobal for the OnStor folks
> 
> 
> FYI,
> 
> Trinh
> 
> 
> _____________________________________________
> From: Tran, Trinh
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:49 AM
> To: Hardiman, Richard
> Cc: Stark, Brian; Sharp, Andy; Nelson, Shaun; Peal, Thomas
> Subject: FW: Per your call about GoGlobal for the OnStor folks
> 
> 
> Richard,
>   I have talked about providing a Linux based thin client for the
> Onstor with Andy in the past.  We had Chris test this in Milpitas but
> may make sense to have the service local to Campbell.  It would be
> much easier to support than the current Linux desktop platform.  From
> the looks of things, one of the use is for local software builds.  I
> believe that with planning, we could provide the engineers with a
> faster build platform as well.  Can you work with Jake on
> provisioning this service?
> 
> Thanks,
> Trinh
> 
> _____________________________________________
> From: Kimball, Jacob R (Jake)
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:43 AM
> To: Tran, Trinh
> Subject: Per your call about GoGlobal for the OnStor folks
> 
> 
> Trinh,
> 
> I believe we would want to understand what type of compute load they
> need to accommodate. From that we could size an environment. Also
> depending on what they use it for there could be a need for
> redundancy. So, at this point, I can really give you a good answer.
> Is it possible to roll in GoGlobal, sure. Would it do what they need?
> I don't know as I haven't been given information as to what they
> need. We would then figure out how to fund it.
> 
> Jake Kimball
> Manager, GEUS Compute Environment
> 
> LSI Corporation
> 1110 American Parkway
> Allentown, PA 18109
> TEL 610.712.7441
> MOBILE 610.737.5481
> jake.kimball@lsi.com
> 
> 
> 
