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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:05:03 -0800
From: Andrew Sharp <andy.sharp@lsi.com>
To: "McNeal, Rick" <Rick.McNeal@lsi.com>
Subject: Re: ONstor's RCS
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On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 07:41:54 -0700 "McNeal, Rick" <Rick.McNeal@lsi.com>
wrote:

> 
> On 18-Jan-2010, at 6:17 PM, Andrew Sharp wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:23:57 -0700 "McNeal, Rick"
> > <Rick.McNeal@lsi.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> Hi,
> >> 
> >> What revision control system do you folks use? I ask because it
> >> would appear LSI now has a plethora of systems currently being
> >> used; not that we can do anything about it, but I suspect people
> >> aren't aware of the problem since most engineers only have to
> >> learn one. Currently the controller firmware has one system,
> >> StoreAge  is using Perforce, anyone poking around with the kernel
> >> is using git, Open Solaris and Xen communities use Mercurial, and
> >> whatever system you folks use. ---- Rick McNeal rick.mcneal@lsi.com
> > 
> > We use perfarce(nee perforce) and us kernel n0bs use git.  What can
> > I say, it's life in the real world ~:^)  I was sure that one of the
> > groups uses clearcase, but I can't swear to it.
> > 
> 
> I guess I'm used to not living in the real world. :-} I worked at Sun
> for 15 years and I got used to only dealing with a single system.
> Then again Sun had engineering practices like code reviews, coding
> style, engineer level testing, and other things that seem foreign to
> LSI.

Perhaps I meant "real LSI world" which seems quite disparate
geographically and sometimes otherwise.  But I'm afraid if I say we
should all be using the same stuff so that we can share, then what we
currently use which work for us will be taken away in favor of
something that sucks.  If it were up to IT, we'd all be forced to
switch over to VisualStudio, which wouldn't work for me ~:^)

> >> "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one
> >> may have to back up his acts with his  life."  -- Robert A.
> >> Heinlein
> > 
> > Hm, a RH quote?  Are you sure you work at LSI?
> 
> Sounds like there's more to that comment, care to share? I've been at
> LSI for 3 years now and I still don't feel part of this company.
> Maybe it's the group I'm in or something else. ---- Rick McNeal
> rick.mcneal@lsi.com

It's just that sometimes I get the "nails that stick up get hammered
down" vibe from some of the long time LSI folks.  And definitely from
accounting/travel/payroll.

What group are you in, per chance? I'm with the newly acquired Onstor
folks, and it's definitely still a matter of "us" and "those LSI
people."  My two main beefs are a CIO and predominace of IT staff that
don't know that there are other words in the dictionary besides Windows
and IE6 and they actually are incapable of seeing how expensive and
vulnerable that is; and that the engineering team that has used nothing
but vxworks for 15 years is dictating how/why/which we put Linux
together on Orion.  They don't have the slightest clue and it shows
from the start.  At some point there either needs to be a mild
uprising, or we get stuck with a mess of a product. Just my humble
opinion ~:^)  The HR department has some pleasant compentence compared
to some other big companies I've experienced, I have to say that.

> A veteran is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank
> check made payable to "The United States of America", for an amount
> of "up to and including my life." That is honor, and there are way
> too many people in this country who no longer understand it. Author
> unknown.
> 
